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Winterclaw · Jul 28, 2008, 05:45 AM // 05:45

Ideally they would have done exactly as you said, perhaps delaying their 4th campaign enough in order to effectively work on GW2. They were on a 6 month release scheduel which they could have pushed back to a year. However they didn't decide to do the right thing.

Age · Jul 28, 2008, 07:49 AM // 07:49

There has just been news about Star Trek Online look in off topic forum.

NiukNiuk · Jul 28, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05

I fear that ncsoft is preventing arenanet from releasing info about gw2...in order not to "interfere" with the "aion hype"

Stuart444 · Jul 28, 2008, 08:10 AM // 08:10

Seriously, this thread is still going on. ALl it is, is a FLAME REGINA thread now ¬_¬

if everyone is so ****ING worked up about this, then here is a suggestion, post the thread link to Regina's talk page, and perhaps to Galies, Linseys and the rest of the Anet team and even the Anet talk page itself (basically anyone official who is on the wiki) and ask one or two of them to post in here and comment on this crap

it's better to actually BRING this to everyone at Anets attention instead of just flaming Regina. Maybe we will get a comment or two from Anet then?

and just as a side note: Flaming, even to Regina, is still flaming and is against the forums rules

pumpkin pie · Jul 28, 2008, 08:40 AM // 08:40

for your information, this is an elite fansite appointed by arena net, they will tell you to post here if you have anything to say.

so....

EPO Bot · Jul 28, 2008, 09:04 AM // 09:04

They may have nothing new to say we don' t know already: Working on GW2.

Seems like most whiners here want monthly excuses for the game sucking and GW2 not being out yet. And a refund too. If there is anything that makes me hate this community sometimes its the BS about refunds.

Fril Estelin · Jul 28, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

and just as a side note: Flaming, even to Regina, is still flaming and is against the forums rules

Not everything in this thread is flaming. Look away from the crap to read the interesting stuff. And, sorry, it's their job to collect interesting stuff, they never said that the status of elite fansites changed when Regina was appointed CR (Gaile being the head of CRs, she should know better) and the wiki started to become the "discussion forum" (discussions in wiki are used for discussing very specific things, not hold general discussions and suggestions forums, it's almost a misuse of these features and I fear that they're doing it to avoid facing the community).

Evil_Necro · Jul 28, 2008, 09:10 AM // 09:10

WARNING!

This thread has gone off-topic! Everyone involved please evacuate! For your health and security.

I am wishing Regina will come then say something about this, if she can say something good to shut us up, then it is a mark of a skillful CR that adopt less-talk, more-work system.

If she won't even come (read: not even aware) to this thread then I don't know what to say.

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Alex Dimitri · Jul 28, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

First if Anet makes us wait for 2 years (hope not) for GW2 they will need to do something for GW, because people are running out of content (my case, done things multiple times, not so fun)!
Second i don`t have anything against Regina, but my humble opinion is that when u appoint someone to do CR job u need to choose the person who would be involved (perhaps, game fan herself) and not just on firms payroll (without anything to do at the moment) !

Avarre · Jul 28, 2008, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

if everyone is so ****ING worked up about this, then here is a suggestion, post the thread link to Regina's talk page, and perhaps to Galies, Linseys and the rest of the Anet team and even the Anet talk page itself (basically anyone official who is on the wiki) and ask one or two of them to post in here and comment on this crap

Since when it is the community's job to draw ANet's attention to issues? They should be actively monitoring the forums considering they did not set up an official one.

Do you think game developers, or worse, the community representatives are some sort of ivory tower monarchs, where we have to knock on the door and politely bring them news from the game? It's their job to keep an eye on their community.

This is been seriously lacking and its a real issue. I agree that ANet should have not mentioned GW2 so early if they have nothing to show, or at least if they can't show stuff, talk. Collect fansite questions and release Q&As like Blizzard does. Do something to make sure fans don't forget you.

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Flaming, even to Regina, is still flaming and is against the forums rules

So is pseudo-moderation.

Faer · Jul 28, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Do something to make sure fans don't forget you.

Perhaps this is what they are actually attempting to do? Anet merges into a larger NC division to work on... uh... YOU KNOW THAT GAME WHICH I WILL NOT MENTION HERE.

Epic conspiracy, but still. Sew not the seeds, lest the madmen bring forth the watering cans.

Nomme Moon · Jul 28, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by Age

There has just been news about Star Trek Online look in off topic forum.

Yeah, and as much as I don't like Star Trek, they already have screens.

Really, so NCsoft showed Aion stuff when it was announced, as did Blizzard with Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King, Sony with Everquest II, and now Cryptic with Star Trek Online.... I think it's easy to say that ANet *really* announced GW2 too soon.

Esan · Jul 28, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by Avarre

They did not set up an official one.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/ArenaNet:Portal

Welcome to early 2007.

Gun Pierson · Jul 28, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by Esan

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/ArenaNet:Portal

Welcome to early 2007.

So why are you posting here on Guru? Cause nobody gives a dam about wiki talk pages, they're messy and a pain to follow. Forums do a way better job at that.

The wiki is more of an encyclopedia.

Btw early 2007 lol? The game was released in 2005. A good thing we had the forums. Free forums for Anet but that doesn't seem enough. Now we have to do their communication too. What's next, make the game ourselves and pay Anet for it? Fix the servers ouselves and communicate about it?

The new communication approach is a brain fart.

Take a look at the official Blizzard forums if you wanne know what Avarre is talking about and compare that with the crap you linked.

Sirius-NZ · Jul 28, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

The battle.net forums are not really anything to be proud of... they get spammed on a regular basis.

Nevertheless...

Gun Pierson · Jul 28, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

The battle.net forums are not really anything to be proud of... they get spammed on a regular basis.

That's true and it was like that when I was active on the WC3 forums back then, but that's Blizzard's problem. I think Guru prooves the opposite (to give one example) and it's not like this is an easy community either.

DutchSmurf · Jul 28, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Since when it is the community's job to draw ANet's attention to issues? They should be actively monitoring the forums considering they did not set up an official one.

Do you think game developers, or worse, the community representatives are some sort of ivory tower monarchs, where we have to knock on the door and politely bring them news from the game? It's their job to keep an eye on their community.

This is been seriously lacking and its a real issue. I agree that ANet should have not mentioned GW2 so early if they have nothing to show, or at least if they can't show stuff, talk. Collect fansite questions and release Q&As like Blizzard does. Do something to make sure fans don't forget you.

They are community managers, not representatives. Huge difference there. Her job is to pass information from the community to the devs and the other way around. Neither of those 2 require posting on the forums. For the community->devs part reading is enough. For the devs->community part she has the main site and the wiki. You can hate the wiki as much as you want, it is a far better tool to give information then a forum. Forums win out when it comes to discussing, but there is no need for her to be part of the discussion. She should be monitoring, not directing.

Problem is that everyone is that used to Gaile saying in at least 3 threads a day that Anet cares (in many more words then strictly needed), that they have problems with someone actually doing what she is supposed to do. They miss Gaile posting another +1 and completely forget how upset they all got when she posted another thing without giving any information at all.
I rather have the CM posting when there is actually something to post. Not posting "we care" (read: I did my job and noted the message). To use the cake designer example, what Gaile did was every time she designed a cake (do her job) she told everyone she designed a new cake.

Esan · Jul 28, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

So why are you posting here on Guru?

What makes you think I'm here on Guru?

Vaal 84 · Jul 28, 2008, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I've just read through the whole thread hoping that Regina would respond. Which she hasn't. I take the argument that when Gaile was CR guild wars products were being released but both Gaile and Andrew Patrick would get involved in conversations both serious and fun.

The fact that we have no contact on the forums is a shame, and it kind of feel that we're alone in the dark. Until GW2 comes out and we all fork out the cash for it. Then I’m sure someone will be in contact again!

Oh and i think the CR should be elected. By the community. To try to find out what the community wants to know.

Fril Estelin · Jul 28, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by DutchSmurf

You can hate the wiki as much as you want, it is a far better tool to give information then a forum.

You're confusing 2 things here: the info pages and the discussion pages. Info pages are brilliant, nothing less. Discussion pages are ok when you want to talk about the info page it's attached to. It's not better than a proper forum when you want to use it for that. Similarly, it's not a proper alternative for a blog (that's what the "journal" is) I'm not even sure it's easier to manage, as I read a few days ago that Regina had some problems when attempting to archive stuff on her discussion page.

I'm wondering if it's an ok tool for Anet because it puts less stress on the CRs, given that there's less trolling (isn't there?). A situation which can change at any moment of course. But it seems to me that it's a stupid move, given how well managed elite fanforums are (and the breadth of experience that they've got).

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Problem is that everyone is that used to Gaile saying in at least 3 threads a day that Anet cares (in many more words then strictly needed), that they have problems with someone actually doing what she is supposed to do.she designed a cake (do her job) she told everyone she designed a new cake.

I disagree with you that her messages were about saying they care (read the few messages I quote here). The messages were about tons of stuff, not necessarily important stuff to the community at large (PvE info is useless to PvP players, appreciation of the graphics, lore or music is useless to someone who doesn't care about that, etc.), but yet stuff that some people cared about. And it created a definitive ambiance of "community relationship", the elite fansites were really a place where things happened, the nexus of communication in the GW world. For a while after Gaile left, you could have the feeling the something big was missing, and I still get this feeling now (which is made worse by Anet lack of resources on GW1).

(on the other hand, the topic of CRs and PvP is a totally different beast, I think this message illustrates why they're behaving differently with this part of the community, but I think IMHO that there's a big lack of involvement/commitment there)

Anyway, it seems we're discussing a point of "history" here and it's a matter of perception. But most importantly, it's useless. I'd like Regina to come here and explain to us in a few words WHY information on GW2 is not coming: part of their strategy? They don't want to delay other stuff? It's not entirely ready but we're close to something interesting? They feel it's not the right time because of reasons X, Y and X (notably their competitors, such as Stargate, Startrek, Warhammer, etc.)? NCsoft requested that information be not revealed because of other games? What about the beta's delays? Sure, these are sensible information and people need to be patient, but I'm surprised that a CR doesn't feel like the community is shrinking (or does she?).